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In the 46th episode of the On Branding Podcast, Arek Dvornechuck interviews Jason Barnard, and we talk about brand SERP optimization and specifically Knowledge Panels.

[00:00:00] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): …Search Engine Optimisation. And it’s basically trying to get to the top of Google for selling your product. And that’s how traditionally people have looked at SEO. And traditionally, it’s been very technical and geeky…

Introducing Jason Barnard (The Brand SERP Guy) and His Book, The Fundamentals of Brand SERPS for Business 

[00:00:12] Arek Dvornechuck: What’s up, branding experts. Arek here at Ebaqdesign and welcome to On Branding Podcast. And my guest today is Jason Barnard. And Jason is a digital marketer, a business owner, a podcast host, and a book author. And he specialises in SEO and specifically in Brand SERP optimisation and Knowledge Panel management. And so, Jason also wrote his book and check out on Amazon, and it’s titled The Fundamentals of Brand SERPs for Business.

[00:00:39] Arek Dvornechuck: Hello, Jason. Thanks for joining us today. 

[00:00:41] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Hi, Arek. How are you doing? I’m really glad you’ve got your name written on your shirt. That way I can’t possibly forget it even though I can’t say Dvornechuck.

[00:00:50] Arek Dvornechuck: Yeah. Very nice. Dvornechuck. 

[00:00:52] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Dvornechuck.

[00:00:53] Arek Dvornechuck: People have a problem. Yeah. It’s really hard to pronounce, but I try to Americanise the name. My original name is you wouldn’t know how to pronounce it. So, I try to write it in a way that can at least try. But anyways, thanks for joining us. I really appreciate you reaching out. And this is great. I just briefly went through your book, but I’m going to dive in and read in some more because I will definitely need to apply some of those tips and tricks. Because this looks just amazing, the Knowledge Panel, when someone googles your name or your brand name.

What Is SEO, Brand SERP, and How Does It All Work 

[00:01:29] Arek Dvornechuck: So, let’s actually take a step back and maybe explain to our listeners. Just start with some basic. What is SEO? What is SERP? And how does it all work? 

[00:01:38] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Right. Great question. You said SEO and it’s Search Engine Optimisation. And it’s basically trying to get to the top of Google for selling your products. And that’s how traditionally people have looked at SEO. And traditionally, it’s been very technical and geeky. And so, a lot of people think okay, SEO, that’s all about the HTML code, it’s about how my site is built, it’s about the technical geeky stuff, and I need to be a web developer. And that was true 10 years ago, let’s say. It was probably still quite true five years ago. But today, Search Engine Optimisation is much much more about branding and topicality. 

[00:02:14] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): And that’s where the Fundamentals of Brand SERP comes in, is that Google is trying to get its user to the solution to their problem as efficiently as possible. When you search on Google for something, you’re looking for the solution to a problem.So, what Google now tries to do is rather than look at the webpage and see, oh, are the words in there, it tries to understand what the webpage offers or what the video offers as a solution, what question or problem does it solve or answer.

[00:02:41] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): And so from that perspective, the first thing you need to do is make sure that Google has understood who you are, what you do, and who your audience is because that is how it’s going to be able to map its users problems to the solutions you can realistically provide for that user. So, what Google shows when you search a brand name or if you search my personal name is the representation of what Google has understood about you, who you are, what you do, and who your audience is. And if it’s a misrepresentation, Google has badly misunderstood you, and it won’t be able to use you as a solution for its users over a long period of time. It’s going to lose track. It’s not going to understand.

Google on Organising Information and on Associating Similar Names

[00:03:17] Arek Dvornechuck: So, we actually need to take control of that and make sure that Google understands the information, finds the right information. So, we do have some control over that. So, can you describe specific steps that we need to take in your book in order for Google to organise our information in a way so it can be featured in that snippet on the right side? 

[00:03:37] Arek Dvornechuck: So, let’s actually, I thought maybe we can just quickly show to our listeners. For you guys who are just listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, you can just google probably Jason Barnard. I’m going to share a screen for you guys who are on YouTube, and I’m going to show you what we are talking about exactly. So, I have the name right here already googled.

[00:03:57] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Sorry. You’ll notice right underneath Jason Barnard which is my name, there is a Jason Bernard, and Jason Bernard is an actor. And that even though the name isn’t quite the same, Google associates the two together because they’re very similar, and it thinks you might have made a typographical mistake. You might have typed it in wrong. So, this goes quite deeply. Google is trying to understand what do you mean. So, it thinks maybe you mean Jason Bernard when in fact you mean Jason Barnard. Then, I’ll let you carry on with your description. I’m sorry.

The Difference Between What Appears on the Left-Hand Side and Right-Hand Side of Your SERP on Google 

[00:04:22] Arek Dvornechuck: Sure. No. I just wanted to quickly show what we are talking about. So, basically, what we were talking about so these are search results. What’s here on the left, and what’s on the right is what Google call fact, right? And this is the sidebar on the right. For example, if you google your name, it displays your name, your photos, and a brief description and some information like where you were born, your partners, parents, and things like that, your social media profiles, and the same happens with brand names, right? Organisation names, company names, and stuff like that. 

[00:04:52] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Sorry. Yeah. What you were showing is on the left-hand side, it’s Google’s suggestions of how you might want to interact with me and what might interest you about me. And in the case of a brand, how you would interact with the company or what you might want to know about them. And it’s a suggestion. And on the right-hand side, as you rightly said, it’s fact. It’s the facts that Google has understood. It’s a summary of the facts that Google has understood. And it’s a stamp of approval of your authority and your credibility to your users when their searching your brand name.

[00:05:20] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): If you now don’t have that Knowledge Panel, those facts, that summary of facts from Google, you don’t look credible. You don’t look like, for example, a big company or an important person. And if you do, you definitely look like a more authoritative person or a more credible company.

Building That Understanding Between Google and You  

[00:05:34] Arek Dvornechuck: And I actually wanted to go back and show people. Maybe we can show the difference. So if you google my name, unfortunately, I don’t have the Knowledge Panel here. We do have some such results. Pretty strong in like I do blogging. I have optimised my website for SEO. I’ve done some on page SEO, but I could definitely improve. So, that’s what I’m saying. That is pretty interesting. I will definitely want to dive in and follow these steps in order to have this Knowledge Panel on the right just like you were able to do it for yourself.

[00:06:03] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): And what is interesting though is it very much associates you with your company.

[00:06:07] Arek Dvornechuck: Yes, that’s right. 

[00:06:08] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): And so from that perspective as well, you were saying, oh, I’ve been optimising my blog, I’ve been working on my company website. Google is trying to understand not only you but your company and the relationship between you. And the better it understands each of them and that relationship, the more you can build its understanding outwards about where are your specialist topics, where are you authoritative, what do you offer, what product. And you can build this understanding. 

[00:06:30] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): I like to talk about Google as a child. It’s understood your company. Next, you can get it to understand you. Then, you can get it to understand your product. Then, you can get it to understand your topicality. And at that point, this child can say when I’ve got a user who’s looking for a, then I know that this person and this company are authoritative and expert, incredible to providing this solution to a. And that’s where you’re going to win. And we call it SEO, but it’s digital marketing through the interface of Google.

Google as Your Business Card and Homepage 

[00:06:57] Arek Dvornechuck: Right. I like that analogy with a child. So, basically, we need to feed Google with this information, right? So, just to sum up for our listeners, I have some of the key takeaways, my key takeaways here. So, just to sum up, what is SEO? Search Engine Optimisation. That’s abbreviation. So, is the art and science of persuading search engines such as Google, but there are other also such engines, right? To recommend your content to their users as the best solution to their problem, right? 

[00:07:23] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Yes. 

[00:07:23] Arek Dvornechuck: So if someone searches for something, Google sees you as the most credible answer to this particular question or a problem, and they show you instead of your competitors, for example, it’s a big part of branding, because whatever we do, we sell products, offer services, especially when we are trying to build a personal brand. Everyone is going to google us, our name, our company name, check out our social media. So, this is really important to have this information easily available online, also, I like what you say. Basically, I like this face. Google is your new business card, right? So, you need to be proactive and you need to take control of that, right?

[00:07:59] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Yeah, no, a hundred percent. The idea that somebody searches your name or googles your name to use the Google verb is incredibly common. We all do it, but then we don’t really think, oh, maybe other people are doing it to me. We do that also when we’re bottom-of-funnel with a brand. As we’re thinking about doing business with them, we google the name. But also, people will google a brand name when they’re navigating to the site when they’re already a client. So, it becomes incredibly important as a passage way towards your site or as a place where people will research you.

[00:08:25] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): So, it is your business card. You could even say it’s your homepage because it’s the page that they see before they come to your website. And the other incredibly important thing is you were talking about all the different social media platforms, all the things we do online and the branding in a more global sense.

[00:08:39] Arek Dvornechuck: Yeah. 

Looking at Your Brand SERP and Seeing What’s Out There, What Google Thinks Is Important, and if Google Has Got It Wrong

[00:08:39] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): If you look at your Brand SERP what appears when your audience googles your brand name, it will show you what it thinks is important from your digital ecosystem. And from that perspective, you can then look at your Brand SERP and see a) what’s out there, b) what Google thinks is important, and c) if Google has got it wrong, you can then see where you can restrategise because Google is the machine that knows the most about what you’re doing online. And it’s representing to your audience when they google your brand name what it feels is helpful, valuable, and relevant to them. 

[00:09:08] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): And if it gets it wrong, it’s misunderstood. If it’s misunderstood, you have badly educated this child. You need to work out… 

[00:09:15] Arek Dvornechuck: Now, we are going to take a quick break here, but we’ll be right back. Listen. My mission is to help people build and design iconic brands. Whether you’re a business leader who wants to be more intentional with branding and all of its aspects or you’re a creative professional who wants to attract powerful clients and then truly be able to help them with branding, they need to learn how to develop a brand strategy that will inform all your creative work. And everything that you need to learn how to do that, you can find in my online courses at What I share with you, my worksheets, my case studies, video tutorials, and other additional resources to help you feel safe and strong about your process. Now, let’s get back to our interview.

[00:09:55] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): You are going wrong in that education or where you’re going wrong in your strategy because it might be that Google’s fully understood, and you are just getting it totally wrong, and you need to change your entire strategy.

[00:10:04] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): So, those are the two choices if Google’s got it wrong on your Brand SERP, Search Engine Results Page, is either you’ve misexplained it to the child or the child has correctly understood and you are not addressing your audience in the way that you should.

Optimising Your Knowledge Panel by Putting Together the Broken Plate and Completing the Puzzle

[00:10:17] Arek Dvornechuck: So, let’s talk about some of these strategies because you described quite a few, and I have your Kindle version of your book right here. You talk about things like optimising your homepage, optimising sitelinks, managing social media, and other things, other tactics and techniques. Probably, we won’t have time to go over all of them, but maybe you can give us a brief overview of the process like maybe what are some of the most important steps that we should definitely take in order to have this knowledge for our name. 

[00:10:44] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Right. Yeah. Great question about the Knowledge Panel. In fact, the foundation of everything you mentioned the homepage and you mentioned the sitelinks, the single most important thing for Google is that it understands your site. So, you might think, okay, you searched my brand name or my personal name, my site ranks number one, job done.

[00:11:00] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): But in fact, the Knowledge Panel is, as I said, a summary of the facts that Google has understood about you. And the problem it faces is that it has lots of different pieces of a, let’s say, a broken plate that scattered around the internet on your Facebook, on your LinkedIn, on Crunchbase, an article about you in the New York times, whatever it might be. And it’s trying to put this plate together to make the complete puzzle so that it can fully understand who you are, what you do, and who your audience is.

Finding That Point of Reconciliation as a Page on Your Website 

[00:11:26] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): They talk about reconciliation. I talk about making the puzzle of the broken plate. And for reconciliation, they’re looking for a point of reconciliation. And that point of reconciliation is a page on your website that explains who you are, what you do, and who your audience is i.e. provides it with a completed plate puzzle, and it can then compare its version of the puzzle to your version of the puzzle. 

[00:11:49] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): So, the fact that Google is actually actively looking for a place on your website that describes who you are, what you do, and who your audience is seems a little bit contradictory, but it’s looking to get that information from you so it can compare it to the, let’s say, the fragmented version, the broken plate that it’s put together and to see if it’s put it together correctly.

[00:12:10] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): And so, the Knowledge Panel is always based on either Wikipedia or because most of us don’t have, we’re not notable enough to have a Wikipedia page and we should never have a Wikipedia page because nobody would spontaneously search for us or be interested in us. It gets it from Wikipedia or it gets it from your website, the full plate that corresponds to all the broken pieces that it’s found around the web. And so, it’s up to you to educate the child by presenting it on your well-organised website with a clear description of who you are, what you’re doing, who your audience is that corresponds to your digital ecosystem that repeats the same thing.

Corroborating Information From Different Authoritative, Trusted, and Relevant Sources Depending on Your Profession 

[00:12:45] Arek Dvornechuck: Is it just enough to have a well-written About page, for example? Do we have to use a structured data? How does it work behind the scenes? Can you elaborate on that a little bit? And having a profile, creating, as you mentioned, a Wikipedia page so we know that this helps for sure. How about Amazon page, for example, if you’re a book author, does this help? How about if you run a podcast, having all those profiles on different podcasting platforms and stuff like that, can you explain on that? 

[00:13:13] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Yeah. You make a great point with Amazon and podcasting profiles. Wikipedia is where everybody knee jerk reaction goes to. But the problem with Wikipedia is that you’re immediately handing over control of who you are, what you’re doing, who your audience is to the Wikipedia editors who can change anything they want. So even if you can have a Wikipedia page, it isn’t the best solution. 

[00:13:33] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): The best solution is your own website corroborated, as you rightly said. If you’re an author, by Amazon, by Goodreads, by Muck Rack, for example. If you’re a musician, it would be MusicBrainz, it would be Deezer, it would be Spotify. If you’re a film actor, it would be IMDb, it would be Rotten Tomatoes.

[00:13:52] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): So as you can see, I’m building up this idea is that I can sell my own website what I need Google to understand for my Knowledge Panel. But then from there, I need to link out to these corroborative sources that repeat the same information. And the corroborative sources need to be relevant to who I am and what I’m doing. So, an actor, as we said, would be on IMDb. An author would be Amazon, Goodreads, other books like Google Books and so on and so forth.

Using the Child Analogy to Explain Corroboration From Authoritative, Trusted, and Relevant Sources

[00:14:16] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): And if we come back to the child analogy, your webpage that explains what the child needs to understand is you as an adult explaining to the child. And then you say to the child, right, here’s some information about history. The child goes, okay, fine, I understand. Then you say, go and ask grandma. And grandma is trusted. Grandma explains the same thing in the same way. And the child says, okay, now I start, I’m really starting to understand. Then you say, now go and ask the history teacher at school. So, the child goes and asks the history teacher at school. Then, it is confident it’s understood. 

[00:14:45] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): And at that point, the child that is Google gives you your Knowledge Panel. And it’s the equivalent to the child going to the playground. And if I’ve explained it to it as the parent, it’s not going to say anything because the child will be a little bit scared of getting it wrong and looking foolish to its friends. But if the history teacher, the grandma, the sister, the brother, whoever has repeated the same information in the same manner, and they are authoritative relevant sources, the history teacher being perhaps the most important, the equivalent of IMDb for an actor, then the child will go into the playground, and it will shout this information. So, your Knowledge Panel on your Brand SERP is the child shouting out the information it’s understood about you in the playground.

[00:15:23] Arek Dvornechuck: And taken from different places, right?

[00:15:25] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Exactly 

[00:15:26] Arek Dvornechuck: So, Google always confirms this information pulling from different places. 

[00:15:30] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Exactly. So, it is this idea of Google will never let you just tell it what the truth is. It needs to get corroboration, and that corroboration needs to be from trusted, authoritative, highly relevant sources.

Getting Control of Your Knowledge Panel Doesn’t Necessarily Need the Use of Schema Markup or Structured Data 

[00:15:42] Arek Dvornechuck: So, this is about SEO Knowledge Panels. Okay. So, just to sum up for our listeners, maybe some of the key takeaways. It’s just this quick snapshot of information, right? And we can take control of this by optimising our homepage, About page we have on our other profiles. And this is going to be different if you are an actor, if you’re a singer, if you’re a designer, and so on, right? There are some authoritative websites that you should create profiles and then create links to your About page so this information matches. 

[00:16:11] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Right. And, sorry, one thing you asked about is Schema Markup, structured data. 

[00:16:15] Arek Dvornechuck: Right. 

[00:16:16] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): And that’s the really geeky thing that people are very scared of. And what I love about this is you don’t need it. A lot of SEOs, a lot of people in my industry will tell you, you have to have it. But we had a client, we’ve got a case study on, our company website, with an author who managed to get complete control of his Knowledge Panel with no structured data, with nothing geeky, pure marketing, purely just reorganising, as you said, his own website and the sources. 

[00:16:40] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): And there is in fact a very famous guy in the SEO industry called Barry Schwartz. And he has correctly got his Knowledge Panel filled with information. Google has understood who he is and where he is representing himself on his own site which is called And he has no geeky structured data on that page. 

[00:16:59] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): So, the idea that this is necessarily geeky and techy is completely wrong. It’s all about being clear with the child. And then as I said, being clear with the child on your own page and then pointing it to the corroborative sources. And the thing that both of these people, Barry Schwartz and G. Scott Graham, the client that I had, is that they were pointing to incredibly, linking out to incredibly, irrelevant corroborative sources that make total sense to the child. And one of the nice things is keep it simple.

Having the Same Description on Different Sources Is Reassuring for Google and Builds Its Confidence  

[00:17:27] Arek Dvornechuck: Keep it simple in terms of the messaging, the words, the phrases you use to describe yourself. For example, you describe yourself as The Brand SERP Guy, and that’s your unique phrase or a tagline, as you wish, right? So, is this what you are talking about? Like we should create some kind of a, two, maybe two sentences or three sentences description of who we are and what we do and then reuse this information over and over again in different places.

[00:17:53] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Yeah. You’ve summed it up absolutely brilliantly because a lot of people say Google doesn’t like duplicated tech. Traditionally in SEO, there is a problem with duplicated text. But this is the one case where it’s actually incredibly powerful because the idea that you have this same description on all these different sources is incredibly reassuring for Google. It’s a child that understands by repetition when you are describing who you are and what you do.

[00:18:19] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): If you can write a really simple couple of sentences that really describe who you are and what you do and who your audience is, if you can, and then that same description or an adaptation of it slightly on different platforms will reassure the child. And it’s really important to remember that not only does the child need to understand, but it needs to be confident in that understanding. And confidence in the understanding is the absolute key. Getting the understanding isn’t so very difficult. Building the confidence of that child is the big trick.

How Long Does It Take Google to Digest Information 

[00:18:47] Arek Dvornechuck: And that will take time, right? So, probably, you can imagine our listeners thinking about how long it takes. How long it takes? I can change the information on my website today within an hour, right? It is going to take some time for Google to crawl on my website again. I can request the indexing in Google Search Console. But how about other websites? If I want to create a profile on Wikipedia, optimise all those profiles like portfolio websites for designers, for example. Rated number one is Behance for designers, so, that probably would help and things like that. So, what do you think? Is there like a timeframe? How fast it can be done or how long it can take? 

[00:19:31] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Well, it’s really interesting because there are two different aspects to it. The first is how long does it take Google to digest, and that can be one month and it can be three months. And it’s never a couple of days. So, Google takes time to digest this information. But the other big question is how contradictory and how fragmented is the information out there already and how quickly and how efficiently and how well can you correct it all.

[00:19:57] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Because if you think about it, I’ve been online for 25 years. So, some profiles I haven’t looked at for 15 years, some I haven’t looked at for 10 years, some I haven’t looked at for a couple of years, and some I look at every day. And for a company, if you’ve been around for 20 years, let’s say, you’ve had loads of employees who say different things or set up accounts on different platforms you don’t necessarily know about. And so, the real trick there is to find all of these corroborative sources that Google’s looking at and correct them all as quickly as you possibly can so that they all corroborate each other.

Helping a Company With Their Knowledge Panel by Using a Platform by Kalicube Pro 

[00:20:25] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): I was actually working for a company called Yoast if you know them. 

[00:20:29] Arek Dvornechuck: Yeah. 

[00:20:30] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Yoast is the WordPress plugin.

[00:20:31] Arek Dvornechuck: Yeah. I’ve been using that for a long time. Very helpful. I know a lot of people must know about this. This is like the number one plugin, not just SEO plugin, but probably in general plugin. Everyone is using that on WordPress. 

[00:20:45] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Right. Well, we help them with their Knowledge Panel and Joost de Valk is the boss with his Knowledge Panel. And we were trying to collect his profile pages and all the review platforms that were having reviews for Yoast and so on and so forth. And I realised that it’s very labor intensive. After a day, we had collected, let’s say, 50 profile pages and review platforms. 

[00:21:05] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): So, I actually built a SaaS Platform, a software as a service platform, Kalicube Pro that does this automatically. And so now, it takes two minutes. And we can build the entire digital ecosystem, all the profiles, all the review platforms, all of these different sites that are talking about you, and then we can prioritise it by how much importance Google places in each of these sources. Then, you just click on each one and you go in and correct it.

Using Kalicube Pro Again to Change Information in the Knowledge Panel of The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard)

[00:21:27] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): And an example would be that I switched an information in my Knowledge Panel which it said Jason Barnard musician. And one day, I went through every single profile, 75 profiles and pages about me and my own website. And I corrected them all in three hours using Kalicube Pro. And two weeks later, Google switched from musician to author because I changed my description from Jason Barnard as a musician and a digital market to Jason Barnard as an author and a digital marketer on 75 platforms in the space of three hours. 

[00:21:57] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): So, what happened is that Google came to our website, saw the information had changed. I pointed it to all these corroborative sources from my website, and it’s still the same information everywhere all at the same time. And so it went, okay, that must be true. The child switched its point of view and said Jason Barnard is an author.

Does the Domain Authority of a Website Matter?

[00:22:12] Arek Dvornechuck: Okay. That really give us an understanding of how it works. Yeah. So, you have this tool that helps us to basically prioritise. It just basically searches for a brand name or your personal brand name. It prioritises all those. I just have a question here. Does domain authority matter in this case, the domain authority of the website, does it really matter?

[00:22:33] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Right. It will partially. But Google’s moving away from that kind of concept of websites because it’s starting to understand more and more the brands behind them and the people behind them. And it looks at expertise, authority, and trust. They call it E.A.T. of the person or the company behind the website or the article.

[00:22:49] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): So, for example, if you confirm something about me to Google because we are relevant to each other, you are in branding and I’m in branding and digital marketing, your confirmation would be more valuable to me than let’s say the Adelaide Times in Australia. Because the Adelaide Times is a generalist newspaper in Australia, it isn’t relevant, directly relevant to my industry, and it’s the other side of the world. Whereas, you are not in the same country as me, but you are relevant to my topic. And if I were to look in the UK, for example, the Guardian would be more relevant for me because I come from the UK. So, the Guardian in the UK is more relevant, for example, than New York Times. So, yes. The importance of the site will play a role, but it’s relevancy to me and my topic and my core topic is going to be the most important thing.

More About the Book by The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard) And How They Write It to Be Accessible to Everybody  

[00:23:35] Arek Dvornechuck: Okay. Understood. So, relevance is actually more important. Okay. So, just as we are approaching the end of our interview, of course, I’m going to link in the description to your book, The Fundamentals of Brand SERPs for Business, so you guys can check it out. And that specific step-by-step process, describe step by step what you need to do specifically in order to achieve that. And I will definitely dive into this. So, I’m super excited to because all I have to do is just start organising this information and updating my profiles because it’s going to take a while, right? So, it’s not going to happen overnight or in a few days. It’s going to probably take a month or so at least. So, the sooner I start changing this information, the sooner I can achieve that, right? 

[00:24:21] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): As you say, it will take you about a month to sort out your own information, and then it will take Google a couple of months, let’s say, to digest it. So, your whole project is going to be about three months. And during the two months it’s digesting, you can continue to generate confirmation, corroboration. And the book describes, as you said, the different things you need to do in the right order.

[00:24:40] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): And one thing I really do is I do come from a geeky SEO world, and I work with a company called BrightRay Publishing. A lady called Emily Batdorf who read my initial draft and just said, I don’t understand this. So, she rewrote it, and I realised that she hadn’t understood it and that some of it was wrong. So, I rewrote it again. And what we’ve ended up with, thanks to BrightRay Publishing and Emily in particular, is a book that’s accessible to absolutely everybody. And I’m so thankful for them for helping me with that because otherwise it would’ve been too geeky and I would’ve lost a massive audience I think for that.

[00:25:11] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): I actually have online video courses for the more geeky people. So once you’ve read the book, take the courses. Once you’ve taken the courses, get the platform. Then, you can really sort out your entity identity, that Knowledge Panel, what Google understands about you, and what Google shows your audience when they google your brand name. And as you can see, I’m smiling. I’m getting overexcited. I love this topic.

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[00:25:30] Arek Dvornechuck: Yeah. Yeah. So, thanks for joining us again. And for those who want to find out more about you, how to connect with you, perhaps your website or social media.

[00:25:37] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Right. Yeah. If you search my name, one of the things that the Brand SERP does is give you the choice of how you interact with me. What it should do is represent all the different ways you can potentially interact with me, and it’s up to you to choose. So if you search now Jason Barnard or you search my company name, Kalicube, it will offer you my site, my Twitter account, my LinkedIn account, my YouTube account. For the Kalicube, it will offer the Kalicube Pro tool, it will offer the book, it will offer LinkedIn, it will offer Twitter. So, this idea of it’s your business card, it’s a business card with a list of different ways you can interact with us. So, it’s up to you. And that’s what I love about this particular kind of business account. 

[00:26:15] Arek Dvornechuck: Yeah. So, just google Jason Barnard, and you’re going to find a lot of ways to connect with Jason. So, I appreciate that again. Thank you very much.

[00:26:23] The Brand SERP Guy (Jason Barnard): Thank you. That was absolutely brilliant, Arek. That was delightful and wonderful.

[00:26:26] Arek Dvornechuck: Thanks. Bye.

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